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The 'Christmas Conundrum' Edition
Christmas was established as a 'Federal Holiday' by Congress and President Grant in 1870. It has been said that their motivation for doing so was to help bring the country together during the difficult post-Civil War reconstruction period. Considering the 'establishment clause' of the constitution, the question is...
Should the status of Christmas as a 'Federal Holiday' be rescinded due to the religious nature of the celebration?
Well then, let's get right to it...
rdmcd, down on the Fundies, said...
Yes for all of the above reasons. Also to sit back and watch the right wing retard's heads explode.
(I'd pay to see O'Reilly's head explode, I'm tellin' ya. Hannity's, too, fer that matter. Coulter? Just throw a bucket of water on her and listen to her cry out "I'm melting!")
Adam the cine-sound Pro agreed...
Yes. Church in Government- Out, out, out. Then give employees some two unpaid, (unpaid?) unpenalized 'Free Holiday' days to take off of work as they wish. I prefer to celebrate Saturnalia (which the early christianist church co-opted for their made-up 'Christmas'). In ancient Rome men would exchange gifts and food with each other, have sex with each other, and beat their wives. Good times... Happy Solstice!
(or beat each other and have sex with their wives, haha)
Charlie reasoned...
Actually, since most people celebrate it whether they are religious or not (and I'm not), I'm okay with it's being a Federal Holiday. I think this matter has been in court, and the court pointed something like this
out. Besides, I don't want any right-wing idiots accusing me of being part of a "War on Christmas," as I suspect the good guys would lose such a war. (Probably)
That MadCat, JD, all caps, adamantly wrote...
ARE YOU KIDDING? NO PAID HOLIDAY AND NO BONUS?????? FUCK THAT
SHIT!!!!!!!! BESIDES, CHRISTMAS IS THE MOST SECULAR HOLIDAY ON THE
CALENDAR. THEY SHOULD CALL IT: SHOPMAS! WHAT PLAY STATION WOULD JESUS
WANT?
(Ya got the Shopmas thing right...)
litebug said No and here's why...
Because it is more than a religious holiday. It is also a cultural holiday celebrated by people, like me, who aren't Christians. There were celebrations at this time of year long before there were Christians. They just co-opted it from the "pagans". It's likely that Jesus wasn't even born at this time of year in the first place. Maybe to make it less biased toward one religion, the official name could be changed from "Christmas" to "Winter Solstice". Wouldn't that give O'Reilly and the "war on Christmas" religious nutcases a stroke! That would be quite a good reason to do it, in and of itself!
(Good idea, that...)
joe pragmatically says...
I say let it stay even though I'm an atheist, I would rather see President Obama work on Jobs, Health care and the Environment. All the Bart people have a Happy Holiday and may the new year be better for us all.
(Oh, I think that BHO aka 'The Man' will come through for us...)
Sally P(al) shoots the messenger here with...
All I can say is: You've got to be freaking kidding? (Pause for your Snarky reply here...) (OK... Snark!)
I pity any elected representative, i.e., government employee, who would even DARE to introduce legislation to TRY to can Christmas as a Federal, PAID DAY OFF!! Never mind rioting in the streets, I'm SURE the crazy "Bill O'Reilly's" of the country would reinstate PUBLIC HANGINGS, and YOU would probably be at the top of the list (when it was discovered that YOU dared to even question, "Should the status of Christmas as a 'Federal Holiday' yada, yada, yada!") (Pause for even more B2BB Snarky remarks here...) (Snark! Snark!)
You are skating on pretty thin ice, Pally - haven't your heard: There's an (alleged) freaking: "WAR ON CHRISTMAS" and Major O'Reilly and his Neo-Con "Christian" warriors are ready to FIGHT!! (Remember, HIS country is all White, and founded on HIS Christian principals, and he and his ilk are holding the public airwaves hostage to defend any and all anti Neo-com attacks!)
(Insert Super Snarky remark here...) (Snark-itty Snark, Snark... SNARK!) And, he could have other support too - I mean ANY, "Day Off" work - is a FREAKING "Day Off" WORK - CASE CLOSED!! (Stop yellin', would ya? Yer hurtin' my ears!) Jeeze - Who are you anyway, scrooge? (No) I may be a socialist, but I'm not bloody nuts. I know better than to even SUGGEST such heresy! No, my friend, if I were you, I'd take off to those UP back woods and hide out until the first signs of spring! Fa La la la la, (la la la la)
(Yikes! I guess I should consider myself properly chastised... Actually, though, I didn't suggest anything. I merely asked a question.)
DC Madman also reasoned...
As an atheist I'd like nothing more. HOWEVER, there's about as much chance of that as Muslims getting along with Jews and Christians in the Middle East. I'm a firm believer in the Serenity Prayer. There is no hypocrisy here, my higher power is the memory of my late father. As long as atheist notions and a Festivus pole can be displayed along with religious symbols on public property I'm happy. I can tolerate the bleating but don't want a Holy War. Let the Christmas holiday stay so long as it remains inclusive. I do have the courage and will fight to stop religion from creeping into other parts of government and people's personal lives that refute it. We non-believers are a larger minority than blacks, the NRA, or gays. We just don't seek the spotlight.
(Well, I think some do, but I'm cool with that. See, there's this thing called the First Amendment that I'm rather fond of... Say it loud! I'm ______ and I'm proud!)
mj with some historical points...
It's significance as a religious holiday has been marginalized. When Grant declared it as a unifying holiday, he was following in a tradition that included secular leaders including Constantine (first allegedly Christian emperor of Rome) who pegged its date as 25 December (Mithra's putative birthday) to make it a unifying celebration attracting influential members of the mystery cult. Christmas as a secular holiday is part of a long tradition of co-opting popular rituals for secular purposes. Besides, I like the time off.
(That marginalization is why the Fundies want to put 'the Christ back in Christmas', I assume. Well, they can for themselves, but please leave me alone if I choose to celebrate it in a different manner.)
Well, That's it... Great Stuff!... Thanks to all responders and readers!... Yer the Best!
BadToTheBoneBob
The New Question
The 'Good-bye 2008' Edition
What word would you use to describe 2008? And why?
A. Good
B. Bad
C. Tough
D. Historic
E. Memorable
Send your response, and a (short) reason why, to BadToTheBoneBob ( BCEpoll 'at' aol.com )
All This Week!
Erin Hart
Join Erin Hart as she fills in LIVE on Colorado's Colorado's Progressive Talk AM760.net, from 5am to 9am pst | 6am to 10am mst | 7am to 11am cst | 8am to noon est, today, Dec. 26th, and Monday - Friday 29th, 30th, 31st and Jan. 1st and 2nd.
And Change is Coming-what do you love or hate about 2008? Can Obama really bring the change we need?
Enjoy Chanukah, Christmas and Kwanzaa and Celebrate 2009 with us!
Check erinhartshow.com for details.
Recommended Reading
from Bruce
Paul Krugman: Fifty Herbert Hoovers (nytimes.com)
Even as Washington tries to rescue the economy, the nation will be reeling from the actions of 50 Herbert Hoovers state governors who are slashing spending in a time of recession.
Timeless and Time-Tested Warren Buffett Watch Predictions (cnbc.com)
Of course, it helps when you can give your predictions plenty of time to come true. That's one reason Buffett's favorite holding period for investments in "outstanding businesses with outstanding managements" is "forever." After all, "We don't get paid for activity, just for being right. As to how long we'll wait, we'll wait indefinitely."
Timothy Noah: Amazon.con (slate.com)
How the online retail giant hoodwinks the press.
Interview with Annie Leibovitz (powells.com)
In case it wasn't enough to photograph Nixon's resignation, Annie Leibovitz covered the story alongside Hunter S. Thompson. And while you may know that many of her celebrity portraits were shot for American Express campaigns, you probably wouldn't have guessed that Amex only gave her a credit card after she left an envelope with thousands of dollars in cash at a pay phone during one of those shoots. Leibovitz recently visited Portland to discuss At Work, a career-spanning retrospective of her photos and the remarkable stories behind them.
A Conversation with Kristin Cashore, author of "Graceling" (bookbrowse.com)
Q: Have you always wanted to be a writer?
A: I always wanted to be a reader and a daydreamer. Then, in college, I discovered that I also loved to write. I think it would be fair to say that I always suspected I wanted to be a writer, but didn't know it for sure until I was about nineteen or twenty. And then, of course, it took a few more years for me to get serious about actually doing it!
Lawrence Ferber: The Divine Miss M. (advocate.com)
Since the death of performer Wayland Flowers in 1988, his over-the-top puppet creation Madame has been seen only sporadically. But with the launch of her new casino tour, Madame is back.
Lawrence Ferber: The Other White Meat (advocate.com)
As one of the subjects of the documentary about the drag pageant circuit, Pageant, opening in select theaters, and one of the contestants on RuPaul's Drag Race, premiering next month on Logo, Victoria "Porkchop" Parker may not look or act like your typical female impersonator, but make no mistake, she is one of the best.
DIANE ANDERSON-MINSHALL, "Mad About Marlee: Extended Interview" (curvemag.com)
Q: I know you're married, but how would you rank yourself on the Kinsey scale (where 0 is exclusively heterosexual and 6 is exclusively homosexual)?
A: As an actor who's dedicated to my craft, I am full and proud 6 when it comes to The L Word. But with my husband, who is the love of my life, I'm a big 0.
Styled Out: On the same Page (afterellen.com)
Ellen Page may be young, but she has a handle on her look. We break it down and try to utilize some of her wardrobe tricks.
Martyn Palmer: "Scarlett Johansson: the reluctant sex symbol" (timesonline.co.uk)
Cameras love starlet looks - and so do film directors. So why is the 24-year-old looking forward to her next decade.
Edited by David Bruce: Happiness! (lulu.com)
Humorous autobiographical essays. Free Download.
Cartoon by John Sherffius: Bush Kept Us Safe (creators.com)
"Sylvia," by Nicole Hollander
Selected Readings
from that Mad Cat, JD
In The Chaos Household
Last Night
Sunny and seasonal.
Violence Won't Resolve Conflict
Daniel Barenboim
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict cannot be resolved militarily, conductor Daniel Barenboim said Monday.
"There are still ... far too many people who are still convinced that they can resolve this conflict militarily," Barenboim said. "That can't be done. That absolutely can't be done."
Barenboim grew up in Israel and, together with the late Palestinian-American intellectual Edward Said, formed an orchestra that brings together young Israeli and Arab musicians.
Barenboim is a contentious figure in Israel for championing Palestinians' rights. He has accepted honorary Palestinian citizenship in recognition of his work to promote musical education for young Palestinians.
Daniel Barenboim
Most Literate U.S. Cities
Top 10
Once again, bookworms in the Midwest and Pacific Northwest have beaten out Yankee types to reach the very top of a researcher's list of the most literate American cities.
Minneapolis and Seattle tied for the top ranking this year, based on local newspaper and magazine circulation, library data, online news readership, book purchases and resources, and educational attainment.
The AMLC study attempts to capture the literacy of major U.S. cities with populations of 250,000 and above, presenting a large-scale portrait of the nation's cultural vitality.
For the list: Top 10
Fox Says It Will Try To Stop
'Watchmen'
An attorney for 20th Century Fox says the studio will continue to seek an order delaying the release of 'Watchmen.'
U.S. District Court Judge Gary Feess last week agreed with Fox that Warner Bros. had infringed its copyright by developing and shooting the superhero flick, scheduled for release March 6.
Feess said Monday he plans to hold a trial Jan. 20 to decide remaining issues.
'Watchmen'
Next Year's Stamps
Postal Service
Lucy and Ethel lose their struggle with a chocolate assembly line. Joe Friday demands "just the facts" with a penetrating gaze. A secret word brings Groucho a visit from a duck.
Folks who grew up as television came of age will delight in a 20-stamp set included in the Postal Service's plans for 2009 recalling early memories of the medium.
Besides commemorating black-and-white TV, the service's 2009 postage stamp program ranges from commemorating President Abraham Lincoln to the Thanksgiving Day parade, civil rights pioneers, actor Gary Cooper, poet Edgar Allan Poe, Supreme Court justices and Alaska and Hawaii statehood.
For more: Postal Service
Baby News
Tripp Easton Mitchell Johnston
The teenage daughter of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, whose quest for the vice presidency began to go downhill the day she announced the pregnancy, has given birth to a son, a magazine reported Monday.
Bristol Palin, 18, gave birth to Tripp Easton Mitchell Johnston on Sunday, People magazine reported online. He weighed 7 pounds, 4 ounces. Colleen Jones, the sister of Bristol's grandmother, told the magazine that "the baby is fine and Bristol is doing well."
The governor's office said it would not release information because it considers the baby's birth a private family matter.
Sarah Palin and her husband, Todd, have five children ranging in age from Trig, 7 months, to Track, 19. In between are Willow, 14; Piper, 7; and Bristol.
Tripp Easton Mitchell Johnston
The Worst Predictions
2008
Here are some of the worst predictions that were made about 2008. Savor them -- a crop like this doesn't come along every year.
1. "A very powerful and durable rally is in the works. But it may need another couple of days to lift off. Hold the fort and keep the faith!" -- Richard Band, editor, Profitable Investing Letter, Mar. 27, 2008
At the time of the prediction, the Dow Jones industrial average was at 12,300. By late December it was at 8,500.
4. "The market is in the process of correcting itself." -- Resident George W. Bush, in a Mar. 14, 2008 speech
For the rest of the year, the market kept correcting and correcting and correcting.
5. "No! No! No! Bear Stearns is not in trouble." -- Jim Cramer, CNBC commentator, Mar. 11, 2008
Five days later, JPMorgan Chase took over Bear Stearns with government help, nearly wiping out shareholders.
9. "In today's regulatory environment, it's virtually impossible to violate rules." -- Bernard Madoff, money manager, Oct. 20, 2007
About a year later, Madoff -- who once headed the Nasdaq Stock Market -- told investigators he had cost his investors $50 billion in an alleged Ponzi scheme.
For the rest: 2008
Biggest N. American Tour Attractions
Madonna
Madonna's "Sticky & Sweet" concert tour was the biggest-grossing music tour of 2008 in North America, raking in $105.3 million, concert tracking magazine Pollstar said on Monday.
The Material Girl, whose 58-show world tour finished in Brazil last week, was closely followed by another solo diva -- Canadian-born Celine Dion, who made $94 million in North America from her first tour since ending an almost five-year residency in Las Vegas a year ago.
Rock veterans The Eagles were third on Pollstar's list, grossing $73.4 million for their tour to support possibly their last studio album "Long Road out of Eden".
Country music star Kenny Chesney ($72.2 million) and rock band Bon Jovi ($70.4 million) came in fourth and fifth.
Madonna
Promoting Ignorance
Virginity Pledges
Teens who take virginity pledges are just as likely to have sex as teens who don't make such promises -- and they're less likely to practice safe sex to prevent disease or pregnancy, a new study finds.
"Previous studies found that pledgers were more likely to delay having sex than non-pledgers," said study author Janet E. Rosenbaum, a post doctoral fellow at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. "I used the same data as previous studies but a different statistical method."
This method allowed Rosenbaum to compare those who had taken a virginity pledge with similar teens who hadn't taken a pledge but were likely to delay having sex, she said. She added that she didn't include teens who were unlikely to take a pledge.
"Virginity pledgers and similar non-pledgers don't differ in the rates of vaginal, oral or anal sex or any other sexual behavior," Rosenbaum said. "Strikingly, pledgers are less likely than similar non-pledgers to use condoms and also less likely to use any form of birth control."
Virginity Pledges
Researchers Unlock Secrets
1918 Flu zpandemic
Researchers have found out what made the 1918 flu pandemic so deadly -- a group of three genes that lets the virus invade the lungs and cause pneumonia.
They mixed samples of the 1918 influenza strain with modern seasonal flu viruses to find the three genes and said their study might help in the development of new flu drugs.
The discovery, published in Tuesday's issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, could also point to mutations that might turn ordinary flu into a dangerous pandemic strain.
1918 Flu zpandemic
In Memory
Ellie Nesler
Ellie Nesler, who sparked a national debate about vigilantism after killing her son's accused molester in a courtroom in 1993, has died of cancer. She was 56.
Nesler made headlines when she shot Daniel Driver five times in the head in a Tuolumne County courtroom during a break in his preliminary hearing for allegedly molesting four boys, including her then-6-year-old son William, at a Christian camp. Some hailed her for exacting her own justice, while others condemned her for taking the law into her own hands.
Nesler was convicted of voluntary manslaughter, but her 10-year sentence was later overturned because of jury misconduct. She cut a deal with prosecutors to plead guilty to manslaughter and get out after serving three years because she had breast cancer.
Ellie Nesler
In Memory
Freddie Hubbard
Freddie Hubbard, the Grammy-winning jazz musician whose style influenced a generation of trumpet players and who collaborated with such greats as Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane and Sonny Rollins, died Monday, a month after suffering a heart attack. He was 70.
A towering figure in jazz circles, Hubbard played on hundreds of recordings in a career dating to 1958, the year he arrived in New York from his hometown Indianapolis, where he had studied at the Arthur Jordan Conservatory of Music and with the Indianapolis Symphony.
Soon he had hooked up with such jazz legends as Thelonious Monk, Miles Davis, Cannonball Adderley and Coltrane.
In his earliest recordings, which included "Open Sesame" and "Goin' Up" for Blue Note in 1960, the influence of Davis and others on Hubbard is obvious, Weiss said. But within a couple years he would develop a style all his own, one that would influence generations of musicians, including Wynton Marsalis.
Hubbard played on more than 300 recordings, including his own albums and those of scores of other artists. He won his Grammy in 1972 for best jazz performance by a group for the album "First Light."
As a young musician, Hubbard became revered among his peers for a fiery, blazing style that allowed him to hit notes higher and faster than just about anyone else with a horn. As age and infirmity began to slow that style, he switched to a softer, melodic style and played a flugelhorn. His fellow musicians were still impressed.
Freddie Hubbard
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