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Immediate reaction to the VP debate: Everyone heard what they wanted to hear
Joe Biden won the VP debate. He was intelligent, knowledgeable, and answered the questions. Palin did better than her Katie Couric interviews, but that's about the best you can say for her. She did okay, but she was dead wrong on several issues (such as McCain's position on closing the loophole that let's him keep his 2nd through seventh house during bankruptcy while most people would lose their primary residence) and went out of her way not to answer the tough questions. Joe Biden had the more touching, Main Street, moment, describing his time as a single parent. Palin was cold and aloof. She barely spoke in complete sentences. She might have reassured the ultra-right "base" that she's not a complete ditz, but she convinced very few others. Her cloying and petulant behavior should send her back to her small town. She's clearly out of her league on the national level. Joe Biden nailed the issues again and again. I don't think he changed many minds either, but he reassured the audience that he was ready to step into the presidency now..
Palin did okay, but she was evasive and cloying. She had her talking points (the ones where she was looking right into the camera) and got them in no matter what. She utterly blew off the last question (about changing the tone in Washington) to say "tax cuts" a few more times.
Still, some things stood out.
How can you be for change when you're desperately trying to forget the past? Palin can try to stop "fingerpointing" all she wants, but we're in the mess we are now because her party screwed up bigtime. If she really wants change, she would for the Democratic candidate.
Palin was well rehearsed in a few areas, but she seemed more like a Tupperware saleslady than someone aspiring to higher office, doncha know. "Folksy" is all well and good. I remember "Jimmy" Carter. But you have to have the chops to back it up, and Palin is well out of her league. Even Alaskans are ashamed.
Picking good people is important: McCain learned as a prisoner, not as a soldier, and forgot his lessons when he became a politician
By his own admission, at his RNC acceptance speech, John McCain was a poor soldier, the privileged son and grandson of admirals who was a reckless pilot and lost five planes. As a POW he forged a new, stronger, sense of identity. I admire him for that. I don't admire his infidelities when he came home, abandoning a wife and three kids to go off gallivanting in Washington. (The "values voters" have an enormous double standard for the sexual peccadilloes of Republicans and Democrats.) Running for Senate, he said he would never use his time as a POW for political purposes. Well, that was then and this is now. A family forgotten, a campaign promise in the dust. Maybe he was a maverick once, but now he's just another right wing Washington insider. The selection of Sarah Palin as VP shows just how bad he will be at appointing people to important posts. John, go back to the Senate where you can vote with your party almost all the time and raise money from gullible Republicans.
The adulterer and the flirt
The more I went over the debates and the punditry afterwards, the worse it was for both McCain and Palin
The Presidential debate was between the steady and intelligent Barack Obama and the emotional yet sometimes lost John McCain. McCain did okay. I notice that the GOP has stopped making "family values" such an issue. That's what happens when your candidate is a philandering fornicator. McCain, like Rudy Giuliani, may sling a good sound bite, but his personal life is not one that anyone would want to emulate. He distinguished himself as a prisoner, not a leader. He can claim to be a "maverick", but his voting record says otherwise. He can claim to be a conservative, but he can't speak to the sphincter conservatives who want to control your sex life.
The VP debate was between the winking and stumbling Sarah Palin and the confident and experienced Joe Biden. Biden continually praised Barack Obama and proudly shared his long record in the Senate. Palin stumbled over names (such as the general in charge of the war in Afghanistan), was dead wrong about major aspects of her short terms as mayor and governor and couldn't speak in coherent sentences unless it was one of her memorized set pieces. Biden would make a great VP; he would make a great president if it comes to that. Palin wants to continue the shameful actions of Dick Cheney, and is insecure when she has nothing to fall back on. Cynical conservatives can try to foist their version of reality on Minnesotans, but we're too smart. In two debates, we know what we saw. Obama/Biden is a great team, and will do extremely well in the White House.I don't know what debate the writer was watching, but it wasn't the VP debate between the winking and stumbling Sarah Palin and the confident and experienced Joe Biden. Biden continually praised Barack Obama and proudly shared his long record in the Senate. Palin stumbled over names (such as the general in charge of the war in Afghanistan), was dead wrong about major aspects of her short terms as mayor and governor and couldn't speak in coherent sentences unless it was one of her memorized set pieces. Biden would make a great VP; he would make a great president if it comes to that. Palin wants to continue the shameful actions of Dick Cheney, and is insecure when she has nothing to fall back on. Cynical conservatives can try to foist their version of reality on Minnesotans, but we're too smart. In two debates, we know what we saw. Obama is intelligent and pioneering. McCain abandoned a wife and three kids. Biden was a single parent who has been on the world stage for decades. Palin shamelessly flirted with her "base" but has no substance or integrity. Obama/Biden is a great team, and will do extremely well in the White House.
The selection of Vice President is important. Many VP's have gone on to be president, sometimes suddenly. Republicans consistently have chosen poorly. They pick VPs for starkly political reasons without thinking about the country. Calvin Coolidge was a disaster, and his administration set in motion the Great Depression. Richard Nixon was needed by Eisenhower to reach out to the conservative "base" and he turned out to be the most corrupt and wicked person ever to assume the presidency... up to that time. Ford was a nothing. Poppy Bush was weighed down by the failed Reagan policies and when he tried to do the right thing was pilloried by the "base".
Fact checking the flirt
Here are a few checks on the remarks of Sarah Palin during the debate, via Daily Kos.
126 Mistakes or lies Palin made in the debate. Partisan and subjective but thorough listing of Palin's statements in 10/2 debate. davefromqueens DKos diary 10/3/08. A brief example, after quoting one of Palin's remarks from the debate:
Mistake 27 - The "tax thing" makes her sound childish.
Mistake 28 - She actually admits that she may not answer the questions.
Mistake 29 - "John McCain's adherence to rules and regulations" Ah does she know what she is talking about?
Mistake 30 - She raised food taxes as Mayor of Wasilla. She's lying.
ABC expose Palin lie about divesting from Sudan. OhDem DKos Diary 10/5/08. Sample, starting with a Palin quote:
When I and others in the legislature found out that we had some millions of dollars [of Permanent Fund investments] in Sudan, we called for divestment through legislation of those dollars,"So said Governor Sarah Palin during Thursday night's debate. One problem - it's a complete lie. Les Gara (D) an Alaska State Representative from Anchorage co-sponsored a resolution early in the year to force the Alaska Permanent Fund to divest all funds with ties to the Sudanese government. Apparently this numbered in the millions of dollars. The Alaska Permanent Fund for those that do not know is a 40 Billion dollar investment fund which distributes dividends to all Alaskan residents on a yearly basis (with exclusions for felons and habitation requirements). This is mainly oil money of course.
In it's research ABC News finds that:
But a search of news clips and transcripts from the first three months of this year did not turn up an instance in which Palin mentioned the Sudanese crisis or concerns about Alaska's investments tied to the ruling regime. Moreover, Palin's administration openly opposed the bill, and stated its opposition in a public hearing on the measure.
Hatemongering then and now
McCain/Palin, losing badly because their message got out, now desperately needs to go negative. This will clench the sphincters of the "base" while annoying everyone else and setting the tone for the next four (or eight) years. Much like they just randomly made shit up about Clinton until they finally got something that turned out to be true, sort of. The next month will not be pleasant.
McCain sat on the board of ultra-right racist group. Tirge Caps DKos Diary from 10/5/08 (why aren't all Bartcop-E people on DailyKos?). The Swiftboaters are going negative and are hammering home very tenuous connections between Obama and an unsavory character from long before Obama's time. (Note how they say he has no experience but insist he's been in politics for for decades...) Meanwhile, McCain is beholden to some very evil people.
The right's two-pronged religion of rage and self-pity. Glenn Greenwald in salon.com (click through the ads) 10/2/08, on the right's self-imposed "victimhood":
Go pick whatever right-wing journals or polemicists you want and (with some isolated exceptions) what you will find is this simultaneously self-loving and self-pitying worldview permeating virtually everything they say, think and believe. You can reduce most of their arguments, and all of their group-based drives, to a rudimentary logical proposition: "I am X, and X is both superior and treated with deep unfairness." It doesn't matter what "X" happens to be for any one of them -- conservative, male, Republican, Christian, Jewish, religious, white, Western, American -- that is the formula that expresses how they perceive the world and their role in it.
Petulance and self-pitying grievance is what fuels them. This endless need to self-victimize would be one thing if the groups to which they belonged were small minorities targeted by a hostile and more powerful majority. But the exact opposite is true. By and large, the groups to which they belong (and therefore see as oppressed and treated with unparalleled unfairness) are the most numerous and the most powerful in the country and always have been. Yet still -- nothing is their fault; they face hopeless obstacles imposed by Evil and Omnipotent Forces which hate them; "I am X, and X is both superior and treated with deep unfairness."
They have run the country for the entire decade. For the last 14 years, they've controlled the House for all but 20 months. They spent substantial parts of the last eight years in control of all branches of government simultaneously. They've won 7 out of the last 10 presidential elections. The country's largest and richest corporations -- including the ones owning the most powerful media outlets -- pour money into their party and perceive, correctly, that their interests are served by the Right's agenda. But still -- they can't get a fair shake; everything is deeply oppressive to them; it's all so unfair.
As they've ruled the country, it's been driven into the ground on every level. The President they revered and endlessly glorified is the most unpopular in modern American history. They've ushered in disastrous wars, virtual economic panic, state-sanctioned torture andastonishing debt. Their leaders have been exposed as bloated, corrupted criminals and hypocrites. Their current candidate chose as his Vice President someone who can barely string together a complete sentence or opine on the simplest of matters, and himself acknowledges that he's been joined at the hip with the failed Bush Presidency on virtually all key issues.
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